Confused about Garand Barrel date. Join Date Oct Posts The barrel markings are SA 10 65 MD So I am confused about the barrel date.
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Any help clearing up my confusion would be appreciated. Join Date Dec Location Mo. Springfield Armory October Join Date Dec Posts The barrel was made in October, , and is likely a later replacement However many of these late receivers may have been stashed away by the government, and used to build National-Match rifles from up through the 's. Sponsored Links Remove Advertisements. Hey All, Thanks for the input. I was not sure about the 65 barrel and 56 receiver.
I figured it was a rebarrel but I am not the expert. The word collector covers everybody that owes a few Garands to the very serious that matching part numbers mean everything to them. My only problem with the serious collectors is they do not understand most of us just want a nice M1. I was selling a Kar 98a mauser a while ago and a possible buyer complained that the hand guard was polish.
YES this Mauser was in the polish army from to the German innovation in I looked it up once on an online resource that I can no longer find, but I wrote it down. What does duffs say about k? They are very nice cosmetically and great shooters. Very low muzzle, throat wear and very little wearto finish. Yes some do come with commercial stocks but many are still coming with nice USGI wood. June ended My belief is it saw some action. The action legs are badly pitted, but the rest of it is in great condition.
I tell myself it got wet, really wet, at some point, and although the exposed parts were cared for, the pitting in the area concealed by the stock is a function of necessity. I'm also sure some people at CMP would like to keep their jobs for as long as possible.
When the last Garands are sold I'm sure some will be let go. What would you all suggest they should do with the more collectible Garands? Leave in the stores for their friends and family to cherry pick or? Bob, This is a complex subject that I could not possibly address in a brief email. I could write pages on this, if there were more hours in the day.
It may have happened by happenstance from time to time, but that was the exception not the rule. By mid-late WWII most, but not all, receivers were lighter in color, most barrels and op rods were darker in color. That may have had to do with the variations in metallurgy of parts. Small parts could be any color, some were dark in color and others were light in color. No one can say for certain what color the parts on any specific rifle may have been during WWII. Keep in mind that with a war on to save the world from Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, coupled with making over 4 million rifles, you will have random variation in colors of metal finish.
During s production, the Parkerizing process had changed and most rifles were of a more uniform dark color. I respect your opinion but I think both your points are part of the CMP myth: Their mission is to promote shooting sports and marksmanship training for the public. Their sales exist to get people rifles, not to make money.
Their operating budget is only partially supported by sales. Correct grade and collectors grade are no longer sold at "under market prices". They did this not because they wanted to make huge amounts of profit, they did it because of the pressure the "collecting" contingent was applying. They used to do special promotions with waiting lists, etc. My problem with the auctions is that people come in with seemingly endless money and inflate the prices beyond the value.
That negatively effects the market, I would rather a system based on seniority or time spent on a waiting list, I waited 2 years for my M1D from the DCM in the late nineties. Could never afford that same rifle on their auction system nowadays. I agree on the DCM selling well below market. CMP is not affiliated with DoD anymore; no funding by taxpayers.
M1 Garand Barrel number understanding help
I had three pass through my hands and could produce the CMP packets for each. They know the supply is going to run out eventually and have planned very well for it 3 The lottery or waiting list it accomplished the same thing: My M1D came from the first lot and it felt like a waiting list. I don't blame the CMP for going the auction route, I just don't think they really care about the money angle. They just didn't want the headache.
Turned out to be a USMC rebuild. I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to say. Like that you are angry that people with more money than you can and do outbid you? And why do you think you get to set the value on what Garands should cost? It's kind of a tired saying but there is some truth to the saying that thngs are worth what someone will pay for them.
It may negatively affect the market from your standpoint if you can't afford something bt not maybe to those that own them. So you're almost saying you want some sort of Obama socialist method of keeping the Garand prices cheap or something? Actually I would be cool with veterans being entitled to a free or reduced price Garand.
It is in the GCA Journal earlier this year. Probably the very best estimate your gonna get. But the others are also right, its what someone is willing to pay. Send me a PM if you have any questions. Yes some do come with commercial stocks but many are still coming with nice USGI wood They are coming out really nice lately.
So that is gonna drive down the HRA resale values right now.
The GCA journal said that one like mine would come in between 1. Whereas a sub 1 million SA can be up to 4 times the value all depending on the parts and all the variables. It also depends what WWII date range your in. The rifles took about 9 months from receiver forging to completion at the start of the war. My April 42 SA probably did not leave the factory until the end of ish.
There are a great many others with far knowledge than I over on the CMP forums. Look for posts by him on the subject. Hope this helps you out a little although I know it likely just created more questions lol PM me if you need help. My April 42 SA probably did not leave the factory until the end of ish That seems like an awfully long time, too. Iirc we were putting carriers to see 9months after laying the keel during the war. It really is a dilemma. Should they charge less and get more rifles in peoples hands?
Remember at one time it was one per lifetime. Or charge more to put away money for the future? Really I wonder how long they can go on when the guns are gone.
And how many more years can it go on? I wonder if selling too slow or why they at one time was only 1 per person? Its not a myth. They are in it for the money thats why they have auctions on their rifles.
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Wish there was a way how much they get the surplus rifles for. They otta just fix em and sell em. I fell off the fence: But some are taking advantage and selling em for lots money.
They auction them , for lots money. It aint no myth. Oh no, you uncovered our Communist plan for world domination, it was supposed to start with CMP sales! Now we are going to have to find another way in They get the surplus rifles free from the Army Supply Depot from what I'm told. The rifles that go on the auction block have some intrinsic collector value that means something to a true Garand collector and would demand a higher price in the outside world anyway.
Face it, there are numerous Garand "collectors" that are more accumulators than collectors. This seems to be about the time W. In addition, rifles in the 1.
Garand Barrel Date
All of this supports the January date for the serial number range change. Their serial number range is approximately to Springfield M1 production was resumed in with serial number 4,, leaving a gap of approximately ,xxx serial numbers. Post WWII production totals: This was followed by other matches held by the Marines. In March, , the Ordnance Dept. The rifles selected were hand-picked from newly manufactured weapons that had workmanship and accuracy superior to the average service weapon. A meeting at Springfield Armory in September resulted in the funding of an engineering program to improve the M1 National Match rifle.